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Dear reader, welcome to the book based on interviews of the Luiz Ribeiro program – Special Tupi Panel. The program's objective is to provide, along with his team, further clari¢cation for the public by provoking questioning of ordinary everyday facts with a focus on the Consciential Paradigm, whether in the political area, sport, or even extraphysical experiences.
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Alessandra Nascimento & Felix Wong
(Organizers)
CONSCIENTIOLOGY IS NEWS
One decade of interviews on Super Tupi Radio
Theme – Projectiology
Translation: Rui Ferreira
Foz do Iguaçu, PR
2021
Copyright © 2021 – Editares International Association
Conscientiology is News: one decade of interviews on Super Tupi Radio
Original title in portuguese: Conscienciologia é Notícia: uma década e meia de entrevistas na Super Rádio Tupi
Copyright © 2015 – Editares International Association
Author’s rights to this edition have been transferred by the authors to Editares.
The opinions, content, grammar and graphic revisions of this work were made solely by Conscientiology volunteers.
Translation: Rui Ferreira
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Dedication
We dedicate this book to all of you who wish to deepen your knowledge of evolutionary process and, particularly, to the listeners of Luiz Ribeiro’s program at Tupi Radio.
Acknowledgments
It is with great joy and motivation that we conclude this first edition of a series of interviews hosted by journalist Luiz Ribeiro of the Special Tupi Panel at Tupi Radio, Rio de Janeiro.
Being the first book in the series, it demanded a greater effort to transcribe the content and form of the interviews, it being necessary to adapt a listener’s language to a reader’s language. Many difficulties were overcome and the team was able to materialize the work.
Teamwork, involving numerous hands, enabled an experience of the essence of groupality: If alone we can go faster, together we can go further. Bring on the next editions!
To all the professors, who supported these weekly interviews, often with two or three professors in each interview, over more than a decade of the existence of the Special Tupi Panel and, particularly, to those who participated in this edition.
To Luiz Ribeiro, an evolutionary companion, our recognition of your openness and high degree of professionalism in seeing the dissemination of the sciences Projectiology and Conscientiology as a form of news, brilliantly translating new ideas to the wider public with an assistantial sense of humor, acting as an important reinforcement in our group existential program. And to Lucianne, his evolutionary companion, by the support. To the Luiz Ribeiro’s production and technical team, who provided audios and welcomed the professors always warmly.
To the Directors of Tupi Radio 1280 AM and 96.5 FM, from Rio de Janeiro, for opening their doors to these leading edge ideas on human nature and investing in the qualification of their professional staff.
To the teacher and journalist Daniel Muniz, a pioneer member in this whole process, for introducing Luiz Ribeiro to this proposal for disseminating the sciences: Conscientiology and Projectiology.
To Sherida Wong, for the commitment on this project, who has been an important piece in transcribing the interviews and a tireless contributor during the numerous revisions.
To Jana Libman and Joseuda Lopes, for being the genuine assistants of this consciential gestation.
To the teacher Neide Lazzaro, who kindly accepted to write the preface of this edition.
To the IIPC’s technical and scientific group, Roberta Bouchardet and Amaury Pontieri and, in particularly, to Nerli Vieira, from IIPC’s communication team, for their ongoing support in adapting a scientific language to a journalistic one.
To the cover specialist Flavia Vianna, for her speed, responsiveness and ability to capture, with great propriety, the spirit of this book. To Mario Luna for the pictures and images.
To Eliana Moura, Barbara Maia and other IIPC Rio de Janeiro volunteers, for their unconditional support.
To the IIPC coordinators, Frederico Ganem (2009-2010) and Ana Luiza Rezende (2011-2017) for supporting and trusting in the importance of this work.
To the audience of Tupi Panel, the intraphysical and extraphysical participants, who were proactive in taking their intimate inquires and questions on to a live show, and in collaborating for open and clarifying debates.
To the team of extraphysical helpers specialized in assistance through the media, particularly via radio transmission, by bringing intraphysical students to be assisted to the IIPC’s lectures and courses, as well educating extraphysical students, in the same manner as the intermissive courses do, which are the real catalysts of evolved groupality.
THE AUTHORS
Alessandra Nascimento
Alessandra Nascimento is a university professor, graduated in Pharmacy, post-graduated in Industrial Pharmaceutical Technologies and Environmental Management, specialist in Clinical Analysis, Master in Chemistry of Natural Products; PhD in Science and Technology of Polymers; Brazilian, born in Manaus - AM; volunteer conscientiology since 1999; conscientiology instructor since 2000; penta practitioner since 2006.
Felix Wong
Félix Wong is an engineer, graduated and Master in Telecommunications Engineering; Brazilian, born in Rio de Janeiro, RJ; volunteer to conscientiology since 2001, conscientiology instructor since 2001; penta practitioner since 1994; epicon since 2008.
CONTENTS
Preface
NOTE
INTRODUCTION
Interview 1
Consciential Paradigm
Interview 2
The Principle of Disbelief
Interview 3
Extraphysical Experiences
Interview 4
Bioenergy
Interview 5
Lucid Projection
Interview 6
Overcoming the Barriers to Projecting
Interview 7
The Difference Between a Dream and a Lucid Projection
Interview 8
Loss of the Fear of Death
Interview 9
Interassistantiality
Interview 10
Assisted-Assister Turning Point
INTERVIEW WITH LUIZ RIBEIRO
MINI-RESUME OF THE INTERVIEWEES
GLOSSARY OF CONSCIENTIOLOGY
ONOMASTIC INDEX
SUBJECT INDEX
Preface
TEAMWORK
The book “Conscientiology is News” is a long-awaited and very welcome work. This publication is the result of various multidimensional circumstances acting over the last 15 years (base year 2014).
The work developed by the team of organizers, determined to remain united, aimed to complete this undertaking, which meant constant effort and overcoming personal challenges.
The group had solidarity, which was indispensable given the complexity of the task, regularly getting together to assist one another, to continuously activate the energies essential to conclude the proposed work.
These volunteers were able to materialize the first literary production of the IIPC’s Rio de Janeiro unit. This victory is an example of overcoming certain stagnant behavior.
The stages required to turn audio recordings into a text form, demanded countless rewritings. This repetitive process required in the revision of the texts could represent difficulties for some people, but rather it deepening the collective learning.
The group of organizers grew as consciousnesses through the realization of personal overcomings, due to this commitment demanding intimate changes.
The transcription of the speeches; the selection and redaction of the dialogues; the spelling corrections and other activities, brought self-confidence to the participants when they noticed the help present throughout the various stages.
The existence of the Tupi Radio Panel dealing with Conscientiological subjects on a weekly basis, for more than one decade, disseminating these ideas in a kind of “long-term course”, is a contributing condition to improve the general quality of the planet.
The Panel emerged and continued due to the strength of radio broadcaster Luiz Ribeiro, who envisaged the perspective of associating Conscientiology themes to radio broadcasting. The subjects are presented in a conversational tone to facilitate understanding.
The pioneerism of this professional, our evolutionary colleague, has granted us an important space to communicate topics of interest for those attentive to their own evolution. In this respect, his role means the realization of what was planned for this life.
The maintenance of this unprecedented radio program over the years, represents an act of evolutionary courage, as there is not an overriding concern with audience numbers.
When verification of the numbers started, it was found that the figures were high for the day and time of the Panel, showing a positive reception by the public. Such data proves the correctness of continuing with this program. It is also evidenced the constructive news interest by lucid people.
Another circumstance to keep in mind is the contribution of this Panel to the training of Conscientiological professors in relation to representing the institution outside of IIPC classrooms. The extraphysical consciousnesses (consciexes), participants of the Intermissive Courses, enjoyed the learning.
More than a hundred instructors have been on Tupi Panel and, for many, it was their debut with this broadcast medium.
The strength of the energetic field experienced facilitates the understanding and association of ideas, optimizing the performance of the teaching staff. The extraphysical consciousnesses (helpers) have a qualified intellect providing efficient interconsciential communication in a fluid way.
The experience gives the newcomer teachers confidence to continue with their clarification task and the positive prospect of expanding their potentials.
Increasing communicative intelligence, one of the components of Evolutionary Intelligence (EI), is a lucid action and demonstrates discernment of those involved in the production of this radio program.
This collection of questions and answers, reproduces the public’s questions, contributing to society on the clarification of common doubts concerning existentiality.
The organizers have opened this series of publications, and look forward to focusing on different subjects in the next volumes. We happily recommend this initial work, whose central theme is Projectiology, to those who are interested. The group encourages us to achieve this satisfying future. We are grateful for the opportunity.
Neide Lazzaro
IIPC – Rio de Janeiro - RJ
30 September 2013.
NOTE
Every month, Miss Margarida, a retired teacher, went to the cemetery to leave flowers on her mother’s grave, who passed away more than 20 years ago. After listening to Luiz Ribeiro’s program on Super Tupi Radio, Miss Margarida started questioning herself about the real importance of this act. Recently, Miss Margarida called the program and spoke of a “dream” with her mother. She said she was very well and the flowers were no longer necessary. Miss Margarida thanked the program’s staff as she realized that her understanding came after listening to the interviews. This is one of the countless stories narrated over the ten years the program has been on air supported by the partnership between Luiz Ribeiro program and the International Institute of Projectiology and Conscientiology - IIPC.
The sustained thesis that Conscientiology is news is based on the following journalistic proposition: news is what contradicts the obvious and conscientiology, besides being the greatest innovation of recent times, is natural, original, and not at all obvious. Society needs to know it, as this science has much to contribute to improve the quality of life.
I invite the readers and listeners to read this first book of the series Conscientiology in the News, which was undoubtedly, the most important journalistic work I have done over the last twenty-five years of my professional experience. Read and get to know the science Projectiology, a specialty of Conscientiology and identify if the phenomena reported herein may also occur with you.
Luiz Ribeiro
Rio de Janeiro, 15 June 2011.
INTRODUCTION
Dear reader, welcome to the book based on interviews of the Luiz Ribeiro program – Special Tupi Panel. The program’s objective is to provide, along with his team, further clarification for the public by provoking questioning of ordinary everyday facts with a focus on the Consciential Paradigm, whether in the political area, sport, or even extraphysical experiences.
Due to his investigative attitude, Luiz Ribeiro received a proposal to perform interviews about projectiological themes. The reasoning was the following: If an individual states they can leave the body and have a projective experience, the role of the journalist is to investigate the veracity of the fact. Thus, the neophyte Luiz plunged into this universe, for more than a decade. Since then the International Institute of Projectiology and Conscientiology – IIPC has participated in the program by debating several subjects, always aiming to clarify aspects related to improving the quality of life and the period after biological death.
The book “Conscientiology is News” intends to be the first of a series, that will use simple and accessible language. In this first book, the theme chosen was Projectiology, as it is the science that better clarifies the phenomena of contact between intraphysical and extraphysical dimensions. Such experiences can awaken motivation for self-verification within a reader. They can understand the logical sequence behind the ideas.
We invite the reader to get to know and study the Conscientiology, the study of the “entire” consciousness, beyond the physical reality, while taking into account the various vehicles and dimensions of manifestation, as well the aggregation of other lifes.
What would a consciousness be? All that has life has consciousness, an intelligent and vitalizing principle. However, one of the great mysteries of the present materialist science is knowledge of their own consciousness. What is it? What is it made of? What is the intelligent aggregating principle? These are some of the inquiries without answers from the materialistic science. The use of new approaches is necessary to answer these questions, approaches that consider the list of extrasensory and parapsychic manifestations, emanated from the consciousness, taking into account perceptions far beyond the basic five senses and the body made of cells.
However, Conscientiology offers some assumptions that can be tested by any interested party. In reality the researcher becomes their own object of research. In this way the consciousness studies itself by employing a broader and more complete paradigm, one able to capture the richness of its manifestations: the consciential paradigm.
Projectiology studies how the consciousness leaves the physical body by employing a subtler vehicle that permits its manifestation in other dimensions. Lucid projection is the most revealing parapsychic phenomenon, which can be self-provoked and accessed by any motivated person. The experience of a lucid projection makes the experimenter rethink their life, changing it for better. Both Conscientiology and Projectiology focus on understanding the evolutionary process, by making better use of time in this dimension.
The structure of this book was constructed in a didactic way so the reader could follow the development and understanding of both sciences. Therefore, for your better comprehension, we strongly recommend reading the first two interviews. After these interviews 3 to 8 are dedicated to Projectiology. Finally, we end with the most advanced understanding of assistance to other consciousnesses in interviews 9 and 10. All the interviews were selected in accordance with the theme “Projectiology”, and were broadcast within the period from 2007 to 2013, and some interviews were based on more than one single interview in order to create a didactic link.
Finally, it is worth mentioning that both the sciences, Projectiology and Conscientiology, were proposed by the physician and independent researcher Prof. Waldo Vieira. We highlight the treaty Projectiology: A Panorama of Experiences of the Consciousness Outside the Human Body and the book Projections of the Consciousness: A Diary of Out-of-Body Experiences where the science Projectiology was proposed back in 1980. Other subsequent works by the same author prioritize the understanding of consciousness, its evolution and disseminate this knowledge. For this purpose, besides the IIPC, today there are (base year: 2014) more than 20 conscientiocentric institutions (see the complete list at the end), these CIs, which are all centered on the consciousness, have hundreds of researcher-volunteers, present across Brazil and in various other countries.
Today, prof. Waldo resides in Foz do Iguaçu, along with the greatest concentration of researcher-volunteers from the CIs, which together have founded a residential suburb, Cognopolis, dedicated to the knowledge regarding evolution, where those interested have huge libraries and individual laboratories to deepen research into their own evolution.
Enjoy the reading!
The Organizers
Rio de Janeiro, 10 July 2014.
Interview 1
Consciential Paradigm
The sciences Conscientiology and Projectiology are founded on the Consciential Paradigm. Analyzing this paradigm is an essential element for understanding parapsychic phenomena, making it possible the change from a posture of “belief” to one of “knowledge”.
Luiz Ribeiro (LR): What is the Consciential Paradigm?
Adriano Oliveira (AO): A paradigm is a lens through which we see all that is around us. The Consciential Paradigm is a specific one proposed, by the science Conscientiology, to study consciousness and its manifestations in the world. However, the consciential paradigm is focused on complete knowledge of the consciousness. Throughout history, several lens or paradigms were proposed, for example: the materialist paradigm, the religious, the political and, now, the consciential.
The consciential paradigm is regulated by ideas, which are the foundations of Conscientiology. It supports the existence of two realities in the universe: consciousnesses, or intelligent principles, and bioenergies.
The consciousness, also known as intelligent principle or ego or self, is the object of study of Conscientiology. The consciousness is much more than its vehicles of manifestation and many studies will be necessary before it is understood. The consciousness’ vehicles of manifestation are the soma or physical body, the energosoma or energetic body, the psychosoma or emotional body, and the mentalsoma or intellectual body.
Consciential energies are impregnated with information pertaining to the consciousnesses, while immanent energies are not yet influenced by consciousnesses and, therefore, do not contain any type of personal content. We find consciential energies more easily in places where there are people. While immanent energies are more present in nature – oceans, forests, mountains. This knowledge is important because we constantly exchange energies with people we meet and places we visit.
LR:So, for the listener’s understanding. The beginning of everything is the consciousness manifesting through consciential energies, is that right?
Alessandra Nascimento (AN): Yes, to complement this information, we need to highlight another pillar of the consciential paradigm: the holosoma, which is the consciousness’ vehicles of manifestation. According to the needs of that moment and the dimension they are in, the consciousness uses its vehicles, each being suited to a particular dimension. This is the key pillar of the consciousness’ multidimensionality. The soma is used by the consciousness to manifest, primarily, in the intraphysical dimension, the energosoma in the energetic dimension, the psychosoma in the extraphysical dimension and the mentalsoma in the mentalsomatic dimension. By making a parallel, it is like using the airplane to fly, a boat to sail and a car to drive on the streets. Each vehicle is suitable within a specific environment.
When a consciousness has their four vehicles it is denominated a conscin, or intraphysical consciousness. When a consciousness undergoes biological death, and consequently there is a deactivation of the soma, it is denominated a consciex, or extraphysical consciousness.
It is also important to emphasize that the science Projectiology studies the non-alignment of these vehicles and provides an experience of multidimensional self-awareness.
LR:Different dimensions require different vehicles of manifestation, this is clear. But, what is the purpose of these experiences?
AN: Multiexistentiality or the series of consecutive lives is one of the additional pillars to justify this. With the purpose of evolving through the exchange of experiences with other consciousnesses, we need various other lives. The consciousness never dies; what happens is a biological death. In Conscientiology, we call this desoma, or the deactivation of the soma.
Finally, we can mention the “Labcon” or Consciential Laboratory. This pillar points out the importance of self-experimentation and self-research. We can be researchers and the object of research at the same time and optimize our evolution by investing in innate talents or discovering immature traits and overcoming them.
It is important to emphasize the importance of lucidity regarding the personal paradigm. It orients the way we understand the facts and how we react to the developments that are going on around us. According to conscientiology, the consciential paradigm ideally should be a personal paradigm, since it extents the life vision and benefits the consciousness’ evolutionary development.
LR: So can we say that self-research is essential and permanent?
AN: Yes, the personal laboratory is what occurs in day to day activities. New facts appear at every moment showing us the more or less optimized ways. Whenever possible we must use our critical thinking to keep us updated. We should constantly evaluate the personal paradigm and not accept just it as an absolute truth. Just as science tries to find new advances, we must be self-researchers who have open minds towards changes. We cannot forget that conscientiology works with Verpons, or leading-edge relative truths. Verpons are the set of new realities and pararealities for a consciousness self-convinced by their experiences obtained through Conscientiological researches, while being coherent with the principle of disbelief.
LR: What benefits can the consciential paradigm bring to us? How can they become part of our personal paradigm?
AO: Off the top of our heads we can highlight two benefits: loss of a fear of death and parapsychic phenomena. These fears arise from a lack of information. Death is not the end of the consciousness, we just discard the physical body when it no longer works. At that moment, we begin to live in other dimensions, without the soma. We are no longer able to act in the intraphysical dimension in direct way until we get a new soma.
On the other hand, fear of parapsychism ceases when we start interacting with multidimensionality and with consciousnesses who do not live in this dimension. It becomes as natural as eating and sleeping. Due to a lack of information, all of this becomes a target for thriller and horror movies. As in the case of “lost souls”, ghosts and hauntings.
LR: So, fear of lost souls and things like that are caused by a lack of information and research into these matters?
AN: Mainly for cultural reasons and because of a lack of information, people dramatize too much and take everything in a mystical or religious way. Science can be very helpful in this sense. The consciential paradigm is a scientific proposal brought by Conscientiology to handle these issues.
LR: You talked about natural phenomenon; is the perception of energy a natural phenomenon?
AO: Yes, energetic perceptions are a natural phenomenon and are part of our daily life. However, they are beyond the physical senses. For example, who never had the experience of starting to feel bad in an apparently peaceful place? Another example is when we think of someone and, suddenly, some minutes later, that person appears in front of you. This occurs due to the bioenergetic reality. We need to have a higher level of lucidity for these phenomena to be used for the benefit of our evolution. Perceiving energies should be as natural as breathing.
LR: Death is another example of a natural phenomenon, isn’t it? It occurs physiologically, but most individuals prefer not to approach this subject because there is still a general lack of information.
AN: Exactly. As we previously stated, when the physical body stops working, we change the address, from the intraphysical dimension to the extraphysical dimension. Since most people do not perceive this yet, they think they will no longer meet that close relative who passed away and, in reality, had their soma deactivated, changed dimension, or moved house.
We are a group of people evolving together. Sometimes we are in the intraphysical dimension, sometimes in the extraphysical dimension or we may be, temporarily, separated by a dimension. We can use lucid projections to reencounter our evolutionary fellows. Any separation is, at worst, temporary. This joint evolution is called groupkarmic inseparability.
For us to continue to evolve, it is important to learn how to dominate the vehicles of manifestation. To be projected with lucidity is to encounter our multimillennial reality and perceive how much we have matured throughout the lives. In addition, it is important to highlight that we are in our best version. We were much more immature in the past and we will become much more mature in the future.
LR: After that, the listeners may be asking themselves: why don’t we remember how we were in our past lives? If we don’t emerge ourselves in our own evolution, it becomes harder, doesn’t it?
AO: The processes of criticism, investigation and self-experimentation are proactive. Like any other developed skill, we made a tremendous effort to develop it at some point. They were conquests obtained with a great deal of effort and sweat.
If we think well, we see everything in our transitory life demands effort, commitment, and seriousness. A good example is control over one’s own energy. We need to control energy to perceive the other vehicles of manifestations and to project with lucidity. Example: we need to break our daily conditioning of going to bed, sleeping and “turning off” until the following day.
What needs to sleep, for physiological reasons, is the physical body, not the consciousness. It can use other vehicles of manifestation and interact with consciousnesses in other dimensions and places. It can be great to meet a more evolved consciousness and exchange ideas, or return to the point where we were and prepared before we were reborn (resoma). What if we had more lucid access to our life’s mission or to people from the past? The benefits of mastering lucid projections are many. But, it can only happen with effort and determination.
LR: And how does the pillar of bioenergies work? Can you provide examples?
AN: Energetic exchanges occur all the time between people and with places. Although we have our own energies, we are almost never alone, and most of the time are interacting with others. It is something as constant as the act of breathing. However, most people are not yet lucid and the energetic exchanges occur without noticing, in an intuitive manner. Many times, these energetic exchanges even acquire a mystical or religious character.
As an example, we can cite one very well known to all of us. Imagine this situation. The listener is happy and relaxed at home when an emotionally unbalanced relative calls and asks for help. The person listens carefully and, after some minutes, the relative is already showing signs of improvement. He does not complain so much and even makes jokes about his own situation. In the end, he thanks you and hangs up the phone full of ideas and completely “energized”. However, the listener who was previously happy and relaxed, is now tired and does not stop yawning, and may even have a headache.
If he did not perceive energetic exchanges, he may think that the relative just creates problems and will avoid him. If it is really a stubborn person, he will continue to assimilate and may even get energetically intoxicated. Does anyone know what it is like to coexist with a person who only complains?
This example illustrates the importance of studying bioenergies. We must have lucidity while making energetic exchanges and know how to act before entropic energies and how to do the required deassimilations. The key is to become lucid, we cannot let ourselves assimilate all kinds of energies in any interaction. It is like taking a shower after a stressful day at work. If we don’t take care of our health, we get sick.
LR: And there is another thing, when you outsource by wishing for an energetic compensation from another person, you lose some of the capacity for mastering or controlling.
AN: Certainly! It is pretty common to try to solve one’s inability to deassimilate through external help. This generates dependencies and creates room for manipulations and exchanging favors. Among humankind there is a great lack of lucidity regarding the issue of energetic asepsis. Unfortunately, this ends up mostly happening unconsciously.
LR: And the pillar of the holosoma, what does that mean?
AO: The holosoma is the intraphysical consciousness’ set of vehicles of manifestation. We have a physical body, an energosoma or energetic body – responsible for the bioenergies perception –, a psychosoma or emotional body, which is mostly used in our projections, and the mentalsoma or body of discernment, used in the development of our holomaturity.
When we manifest in the intraphysical dimension, the four vehicles are enclosed in each other, always together, attached to one another. However, depending on the activity, we use attributes from different vehicles. For example, when we exercise, besides the physical body, we also use the denser energies from the energosoma. When we read a poem, we touch the emotions, a psychosomatic attribute. As we study for a test, we use logical thinking, memory, and the sense of criticism, some attributes of the mentalsoma.
It is also important to perceive non-alignment of the vehicles. When we sleep, we relax and the release of the energies and psychosoma naturally occurs. This process is natural and occurs with all of us; it is part of our paraphysiology. It is an effective way to replenish the energies spent throughout the workday.
LR: So, when we sleep we leave the soma at rest and use other vehicles to access other dimensions?
AN: Exactly. I want to call the attention to the importance of lucidity. This discoincidence occurs with everyone, however, as we were not educated about this, we do not develop the lucidity regarding these vehicles and dimensions. We usually treat these facts as a dream or even an illness as if it were not enough, society trets those experiences as disease.
We need to change this scenario, because we are throwing away a lot of information that can tell us who we are. Worse still, we cease to experience a far greater parapsychic reality with lucidity, which can bring us a lot of tranquility and comprehension about life.
LR: Due to a lack of knowledge, when individuals project they can deal with everything as they do in the intraphysical dimension, i.e., they can live the same way in another dimension as they do here. Are the dimensions accessed compatible with what we do in the intraphysical? For example, will those who do not prioritize intellectuality find it difficult to access the mentalsomatic dimension?
AO: Certainly. As we mature, we learn how to better use the mentalsoma. If we compare a teenage and a 40-year-old adult, hypothetically the adult will already have a stable life (work, money, affective-sexual life, house) and this favors a calming down, making room for mentalsomatic processes. On the other hand, this not only depends on the age, as it is possible to find teenagers that are fairly mature and stable, as well as adults who are eternal teenagers. Conscientiology highlights holomaturity, which is based on the integral maturity of one’s four vehicles, or evolutionary maturity.
Here is the point you mentioned about our way to act in different dimensions. As the consciousness is the same and only the vehicle and dimension change, it is logical that the consciousness manifests the same way in different places. It is an illusion to believe we will be different just because we change the vehicle of manifestation.
LR: How do we verify the existence of the holosoma?
AO: The best way is through self-substantiation. The ideal situation would be to choose a projective technique to promote a lucid discoincidence. The experience speaks for itself! There is nothing like being in the psychosoma and seeing the physical body lying down on the bed or sitting in a chair. The confirmation that the consciousness survives the physical body’s deactivation is very reassuring for the majority of people.
LR: Regarding multiexistentiality, what proof do we have to substantiate its existence?
AO: The best way to self-substantiate these phenomena is through one’s own experiences. An example of this kind of self-experimentation are retrocognitions and past life recollections. They can occur when we start remembering a place or person we have never seen before. Such experiences can be had through a lucid projection or the development of parapsychism. Who never had the sensation of knowing a place you never had been to or feeling as an old friend to a recently-known person?
We can also recall the period between lives, or the intermissive period. In the intermissive period lucid consciousnesses prepare for their next physical life.
LR: Is there any link between our talents and multiexistentiality? Could this also be a proof of the existence of various previous lives?
AN: Good question! As we know, the development of our skills is a result of hard work and effort. When we talk about getting talents, this is not arbitrary, but it comes with time, persistence and maturity. Sometimes such talents appear at an earlier stage. This is the case of highly gifted individuals. This is a strong indication that there was intensive work done on that trait in their previous lives. In Conscientiology, we call these talents “strongtraits”. We know they are our biggest assets or definitive conquests that we take from one life to another.
LR: Why do we not have lucidity about these conditions in our daily life? What can we do to make that happen?
AO: As previously stated, we have not been educated for that. We do not develop our multidimensional perceptions. The solution, as we colloquially say, is to “make up for lost time”. We now have extensive information, many techniques and many people working to bring these experiments and researches into our everyday life. This is what we do at the IIPC. We experience the consciential paradigm, exchange experiences, and build up a new science to assist other people.
LR: Finally, for how long do you think humanity will ignore these facts? These questions have been around for a long time, correct?
AN: The changes are happening. Many people are questioning, they are no longer content with so little. The facts of their experiences require deeper explanation. As the population increases, the quantity of consciential energy on the planet also increases and more phenomena can occur.
Today, nobody dies due to having more developed parapsychism. The time of “witch-hunts” is over. Shortly we shall be able to talk about advanced extraphysical communities, places we have visited in past lives and consciousnesses we have met in the extraphysical dimension, as if we were talking about a movie we watched on TV. Evolution is inevitable.
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For more information, read:
Our Evolution. Waldo Vieira. Editares, Foz do Iguaçu. 2016. 2nd Ed. 151 p.
Where does religion end? Marcelo da Luz. Editares, Foz do Iguaçu. 2016. 1st Ed. 486 p.
Self-cure through Reconciliation. Malu Balona, IIPC. Foz do Iguaçu. 2009. 3rd Ed. 354 p.
Interview 2
The Principle of Disbelief
Rational beings live in permanent search of explanations for the events that surround us. However, quite often, we do not question the ready-made ideas that are presented to us. For example, since we were born the culture of the country, the religions, and family traditions are imposed on us. How can we find explanations and a correct understanding of these ideas? Conscientiology bases itself on the principle of disbelief to assist and stimulate critical thinking.
Luiz Ribeiro (LR): What is the Principle of Disbelief?
Rose Sobrinho (RS): The Principle of Disbelief is the fundamental principle that guides projectiology and conscientiology, and states that a person should not accept an idea without performing their own reflection, criticism and rational analysis; thus a person can substitute belief with knowledge, and avoid dogmatism, apriorism, and brainwashing by strengthening one’s logical refutation and reflection. Although not new, we use this denomination precisely to strength the condition of “not brainwashing”.
LR: So, the Principle of Disbelief is “Do not believe in anything not even what you read here, experiment, have your own experiences”?
Ailton Maia (AM):
